After sparking some controversy with a recent tweet of mine, both on Twitter in general as well as some discussion within the Ghetto, we thought others might benefit from a chat about it.
I appreciate this discussion. One of my first classes at Asbury Theological Seminary was Philosophy of Religion. Dr Jerry Walls asked the class of nearly 75 people “What would you do if I could show you without a doubt the bones of Jesus?” How would you respond? The vast majority of “evangelical” Methodists said they would continue to live a moral life for the sake of society. I was sitting on the front row listening and Dr Walls asked me the question. I responded I would be sleeping with your wife and selling drugs to your kids. I would be in the Viking ships. Dr Walls said congratulations Ferguson you are the only real conservative in the room.
Civilization is built upon the Resurrection otherwise civilization decomposes with out the Resurrection.
I think the vitalism type movement is subversive with the goal to lower fertility or prevent family formation. It was a trap that I fell for. I grew up around an ultra running, adventure type community. This community does not form families so that all their time can be focused on themselves. Thank God my wife convinced me to have two kids with the compromise that I could go back to adventuring when I had finished raising my children. As I come to the end of raising my kids, my greatest joy was that time I spent as a Father and I have great sorrow that I did not have a larger family.
Vitalism is of course the "green fuse" energy that pervades and energizes all of nature, including the bodies of human beings who are intrinsically entangled in this vast beginningless and endless process.
Never mind that a completely all-the-way-down-the-line self-absorbed narcissistic excuse for a human being was once the President of the US, and may indeed be so again.
It could also be said that the many/most/all of the adherents of his MAGA cult are completely self absorbed too. Many of his adoring fans are Christian "true believers" and, most probably sympathetic with the writings of C S Lewis, albeit at a very superficial level.
His rallies are a demonstration of collective psychosis.
The Orange Jesus has of course spent an entire life-time making a mockery of, and breaking all of the Ten Commandments.
> Many of his adoring fans are Christian "true believers" and, most probably sympathetic with the writings of C S Lewis, albeit at a very superficial level.
Perhaps they can see that the Ten Commandments aren't the be all, and they were already superceded, as un-nuanced laws for a less mature stage, by the New Testament.
Or they can see that the Lord moves in mysterious ways, and that a " self-absorbed narcissistic excuse for a human being" can be a better option than the alternative, like the lowly tax collector (more akin to a bouncer or a repo man in modern terms than an IRS employee) trumped the hollier-than-thou Pharisee.
Also they might have taken to heart that whole "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" thing...
You know who else "spent an entire life-time making a mockery of, and breaking all of the Ten Commandments"? Saint Augustine. The Prodigal Son. And the first person who Jesus reporedly assured will get to heaven, the murderer and thief on the cross to his right.
If the Ten Commandments aren't important then how come many back-to-the-past Christian true believers are very intent on having them posted in many public places including state legislative assemblies, schools, court houses etc etc.
If the Ten Commandments are/were superceded by the "New" Testament then why do many Christian true believers place so much emphasis on it? Why is it even in the modern Bible?
In an age where everyone is now instantaneously interconnected and influenced at a subtle feeling level by all of the horrors now being dramatized all over the world, and those yet to come what has Augustine got to do with anything.
Anyone who pretends that the "Lord" is using the Orange Jesus to re-invigorate Christian-ism in America is somewhat deluded - to put it mildly.
> If the Ten Commandments aren't important then how come many back-to-the-past Christian true believers are very intent on having them posted in many public places including state legislative assemblies, schools, court houses etc etc.
Because they're misguided puritans who think they're Christians proper, when in fact they're closer to the Old Testament, having got nothing from the message of Christ.
Then again, when it comes to Christianity Protenstantism is misguided from the start - which is why it diverted so much from the original values (while claimimg to get back to them) that it's not even funny.
> Anyone who pretends that the "Lord" is using the Orange Jesus to re-invigorate Christian-ism in America is somewhat deluded - to put it mildly.
And anyone using terms like "Orange Jesus", or considers Trumps something much different than any previous President in his moral qualities (aside from being more crass about them), is drinking the establishment media Kool-Aid, to put it mildly.
And if they think Obama or Bush or Clinton weren't narcissists on par with Trump, or care more for the average person, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell them.
I appreciate this discussion. One of my first classes at Asbury Theological Seminary was Philosophy of Religion. Dr Jerry Walls asked the class of nearly 75 people “What would you do if I could show you without a doubt the bones of Jesus?” How would you respond? The vast majority of “evangelical” Methodists said they would continue to live a moral life for the sake of society. I was sitting on the front row listening and Dr Walls asked me the question. I responded I would be sleeping with your wife and selling drugs to your kids. I would be in the Viking ships. Dr Walls said congratulations Ferguson you are the only real conservative in the room.
Civilization is built upon the Resurrection otherwise civilization decomposes with out the Resurrection.
I think the vitalism type movement is subversive with the goal to lower fertility or prevent family formation. It was a trap that I fell for. I grew up around an ultra running, adventure type community. This community does not form families so that all their time can be focused on themselves. Thank God my wife convinced me to have two kids with the compromise that I could go back to adventuring when I had finished raising my children. As I come to the end of raising my kids, my greatest joy was that time I spent as a Father and I have great sorrow that I did not have a larger family.
Vitalism is of course the "green fuse" energy that pervades and energizes all of nature, including the bodies of human beings who are intrinsically entangled in this vast beginningless and endless process.
Never mind that a completely all-the-way-down-the-line self-absorbed narcissistic excuse for a human being was once the President of the US, and may indeed be so again.
It could also be said that the many/most/all of the adherents of his MAGA cult are completely self absorbed too. Many of his adoring fans are Christian "true believers" and, most probably sympathetic with the writings of C S Lewis, albeit at a very superficial level.
His rallies are a demonstration of collective psychosis.
The Orange Jesus has of course spent an entire life-time making a mockery of, and breaking all of the Ten Commandments.
> Many of his adoring fans are Christian "true believers" and, most probably sympathetic with the writings of C S Lewis, albeit at a very superficial level.
Perhaps they can see that the Ten Commandments aren't the be all, and they were already superceded, as un-nuanced laws for a less mature stage, by the New Testament.
Or they can see that the Lord moves in mysterious ways, and that a " self-absorbed narcissistic excuse for a human being" can be a better option than the alternative, like the lowly tax collector (more akin to a bouncer or a repo man in modern terms than an IRS employee) trumped the hollier-than-thou Pharisee.
Also they might have taken to heart that whole "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" thing...
You know who else "spent an entire life-time making a mockery of, and breaking all of the Ten Commandments"? Saint Augustine. The Prodigal Son. And the first person who Jesus reporedly assured will get to heaven, the murderer and thief on the cross to his right.
If the Ten Commandments aren't important then how come many back-to-the-past Christian true believers are very intent on having them posted in many public places including state legislative assemblies, schools, court houses etc etc.
If the Ten Commandments are/were superceded by the "New" Testament then why do many Christian true believers place so much emphasis on it? Why is it even in the modern Bible?
In an age where everyone is now instantaneously interconnected and influenced at a subtle feeling level by all of the horrors now being dramatized all over the world, and those yet to come what has Augustine got to do with anything.
Anyone who pretends that the "Lord" is using the Orange Jesus to re-invigorate Christian-ism in America is somewhat deluded - to put it mildly.
> If the Ten Commandments aren't important then how come many back-to-the-past Christian true believers are very intent on having them posted in many public places including state legislative assemblies, schools, court houses etc etc.
Because they're misguided puritans who think they're Christians proper, when in fact they're closer to the Old Testament, having got nothing from the message of Christ.
Then again, when it comes to Christianity Protenstantism is misguided from the start - which is why it diverted so much from the original values (while claimimg to get back to them) that it's not even funny.
> Anyone who pretends that the "Lord" is using the Orange Jesus to re-invigorate Christian-ism in America is somewhat deluded - to put it mildly.
And anyone using terms like "Orange Jesus", or considers Trumps something much different than any previous President in his moral qualities (aside from being more crass about them), is drinking the establishment media Kool-Aid, to put it mildly.
And if they think Obama or Bush or Clinton weren't narcissists on par with Trump, or care more for the average person, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell them.