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Hi Kruptos, I really enjoyed this post, thank you for sharing it. I enjoyed the simple, down-to-earth, connected vision you shared. A long response with a couple of quotes incoming... It is interesting see you link to a review of an Eastern Orthodox book, and express ideas that seem congruent with Eastern Orthodox thought. Is Eastern Orthodoxy something you have explored?

You wrote, "The clockwork idea of God allowed us to harness the forces of creation to serve our desires to know all things, command all things and to make money, to possess all things. We wanted to command the power of God in creation. Because of this, though, we have build a framework of knowledge and technology that empowers us, allows us to uses the energies of God and bend them to our will, but also builds layer upon layer of mental architecture between us and God."

Yes, this is a good point. We live in an age of ubiquitous nihilism where life seems to be meaningless, random, and with a heavy emphasis on materialism (even to those who are religious, as this feeling permeates all of culture). But it didn't used to be this way. Society used to be one which offered man a meaningful place in the world. Per Richard Tarnas in "The Passion of the Western Mind":

"Viewing now in retrospect the Roman Catholic Church at the height of its glory in the high Middle Ages—with virtually all of Europe Catholic, with the entire calendar of human history now numerically centered on the birth of Christ, with the Roman pontiff regnant over the spiritual and often the temporal as well, with the masses of the faithful permeated with Christian piety, with the magnificent Gothic cathedrals, the monasteries and abbeys, the scribes and scholars, the thousands of priests, monks, and nuns, the widespread care for the sick and poor, the sacramental rituals, the great feast days with their processions and festivals, the glorious religious art and Gregorian chant, the morality and miracle plays, the universality of the Latin language in liturgy and scholarship, the omnipresence of the Church and Christian religiosity in every sphere of human activity—all this can hardly fail to elicit a certain admiration for the magnitude of the Church’s success in establishing a universal Christian cultural matrix and fulfilling its earthly mission. And whatever Christianity’s actual metaphysical validity, the living continuity of Western civilized culture itself owed its existence to the vitality and pervasiveness of the Christian Church throughout medieval Europe."

Or per Timothy/Kallistos Ware in "The Orthodox Church": "Not without reason has Byzantium been called ‘the icon of the heavenly Jerusalem’. Religion entered into every aspect of Byzantine life. The Byzantine’s holidays were religious festivals; the races which he attended in the Circus began with the singing of hymns; his trade contracts invoked the Trinity and were marked with the sign of the Cross. Today, in an untheological age, it is all but impossible to realize how burning an interest was felt in religious questions by every part of society, by laity as well as clergy, by the poor and uneducated as well as the Court and the scholars. Gregory of Nyssa describes the unending theological arguments in Constantinople at the time of the second General Council: ‘The whole city is full of it, the squares, the market places, the cross-roads, the alleyways; old-clothes men, money changers, food sellers: they are all busy arguing. If you ask someone to give you change, he philosophizes about the Begotten and the Unbegotten; if you inquire about the price of a loaf, you are told by way of reply that the Father is greater and the Son inferior; if you ask ‘Is my bath ready?’ the attendant answers that the Son was made from nothing.’"

You also write, "One of the challenges that many of us will have to overcome is our own Protestant faith. In many ways, by rejecting the excesses of the “superstitions” of the Roman Church, we prepared Christendom for the technical reality by rationalizing the Christian faith."

Yes, the introduction of Aristotelean reason led to Protestantism which led to modern secular liberalism, which is a common criticism of both Catholicism and Protestantism from the Orthodox perspective. Orthodox theologian David Bentley Hart has a great article addressing head-on Nietzsche’s criticisms of Christianity. He agrees with Nietzsche and Heidegger’s interpretations to an extent (you reference Heidegger), but he believes that modern nihilism is not the final form of Christianity but merely the result of it’s receding, that Christianity was so great, and so fully conquered the Hellenistic Gods that came before that there is simply no room to go back to them, and that all there is to be done is re-embrace Christ and Orthodoxy. The article is here: https://www.firstthings.com/article/2003/10/christ-and-nothing

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J.S. Kasimir's avatar

You made some really good points.

But the thing is, is that I don't think we live in a *Deist* world but a more agnostic or atheistic world. (Maybe I'm just biased.) The reason being, that Deism doesn't adhere to an *organized* religion (our motto is "God gave us reason, not religion"). It's not that organized religion is bad--it's great in many contexts, from the communal ties to awesome architecture--but it can be easily corrupted by those in power. Rather than rely on a priest or pastor telling you what to do, Deism allows people to "get it from the source," so to speak. One is able to strength their own connection to the Most High without doctrine or rituals. Many Deists believe we have a direct linkage to God--if he is the Watchmaker, then we are the watch and the gears within. If God made the cosmos and nature, then we are the cosmos and nature itself.

In modern society, however, there is a severe lack of spirituality as a whole. A Deist world wouldn't allow for this. If we had Deists in power, we'd be living in a time of Thomas Paines and Jeffersons.

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