Interview with Kale Zelden on "The Underneath"

I recently accepted an invitation to come on Kale Zelden's podcast "The Underneath." It was an engaging discussion in which we started and got 2/3 through a number of topics.

Kale Zelden and I share a deep interest in what I call “the hidden thing” and he calls “the underneath.” It is that form of knowing that is very real but cannot be rationalized. Much of the deepest truths are found here. Modernity, focusing on what can be measured, verified and argued with words and numbers, misses much of the deeper truths, leaving our society cut off from wisdom. It shows. Join us today at 3:00 pm when the episode first goes live.

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